Note: This is also found under 07-20-1967
Captain Ardanza and crew, Naviero,
120 mi off Cape Santa Maria
Grande, Brazil; 6:15 PM
"...Captain Ardanza beheld a shining object in the sea no
more than about 50 feet away on the starboard side. It was
cigar-shaped and he estimated its length at about 105-110 feet. It had a
powerful blue and white glow, made no noise whatsoever, and left no wake in
the water. There was no sign of any periscope, or railing, or tower, or superstructure…
no control surfaces or protruding parts... [ it ] paced [ the ship ] for 15
minutes... [estimated speed] up to 25 knots. [It] suddenly dived and passed right under the [ship]
and vanished rapidly in the depths at great speed. As it went, it
glowed brightly below the water... The possibility that the object seen was a
whale or a conventional type of submarine is ruled out... The case has been
classified by the Argentine maritime authorities as an "Unidentified
Submarine Object". [Footnote 1]
Artist's conception from Phenomenes
Spatiaux, created by Joel Mesnard,
Phenomenes Spatiaux no. 15
(March 1968) p. 30
the" Vanguardia ", from Barcelona,
dated 1st Oct. 1967, appeared an information sent to us by Mr. Joan
Crexells, whom we thank. This
saucer" To the comments and guesses which are made here about the real
existence of the flying saucers is added now a serious and trustworthy testimony,
the one from Julian Ardanza, captain of the Argentinian (sic) merchant ship
"Naviero". Upon his arrival in Buenos Aires,
he fully confirmed what he already said in his radio message sent from the
sea: "At the level of Brazil,
he was surprised by a strange object which emitted a strong bluish glow and
sailed parallel to his ship during 18 minutes. At one point, the object dived
and went under the ship to go back to the surface on the other side." It
was shaped like a cigar. It was like a submarine but without conning tower or
any protruding part on its surface. It was also observed by first officer Julio Montoya
and a few sailors, which created the ensuing alert. The encounter happened at
the level of the gulf
of Santa Catarina,
facing the Brazilian coast. The captain denied it was a submarine. And even
less a whale. At a speed of 25 knots the object went away leaving behind it
an intense light. "Upon his arrival, captain Ardanza was besieged by
journalists and his testimony has enriched the already copious chronicle of
similar events happening in Argentina
the last days."
Comments by Rene Fouere removed >
Phenomenes Spatiaux no. 16 (June 1968) p. 13-14
diving to "sinking", by Rene Fouere
our last issue, we made a mistake regarding the diving "saucer".
Being too used to call "saucer" a mostly flying vehicle, while
reading the text, quite short, of "La Vanguardia" about the strange
object which sailed parallel to the "Naviero", we interpreted
"sailed" as flying. We even, in our comments, presented some
considerations based upon this interpretation about which, reading in the FSR
March-April 1968 p. 22 the article by Mr. Oscar Galindez, we found out that
it was wrong. At least apparently as if, one might think, the diving
"saucer" was of extra-terrestrial origin, it had to be in the air
before going on the water surface or in the water. Nevertheless Captain
Ardanza and the men from his crew saw it only on the sea or under the sea.
article brings us interesting precisions [precise information? Ed.] and, first, gives us the time of the sighting
( 18.15 local time which is 22.15 universal time ) and the coordinates of the
place: L: 28° 48' S and G: 46° 44' W, these coordinates defining a point
located approximately 220 km east of the cape Santa Marta Grande and where
the depths are more than a thousand meters. This article tells us also that
the strange "submarine" was seen very close, at a distance of about
15 meters and had a length of about 30 meters. It had no periscope, no
conning tower, no guard rail, no superstructures. That is to say no
horizontal rudder, no vertical rudder, no protruding parts. It was noiseless.
It is not said that it went under the "Naviero" to reappear on the
other side but that, suddenly, it dived right under the ship, at high speed,
towards the depths, to disappear quickly and that while it was going down it
could still be seen under the water, brightly illuminated. It didn't leave behind any
wake (our emphasis).
We found too, about this same
incident, a few more complementary details in a document kindly sent to us by
our sevillan correspondent Mr.
This document is a photocopy of an article published in the Buenos Aires newspaper "La Voz del Interior" dated 3
August 1967. This article precises [states? Ed.]
that the night was dark and the sea phosphorescent. This last point doesn't
surprise us as the sighting happened in the open sea off the Cape Santa Marta
Grande where we ourselves observed, each time we were there, waters with an
intense, homogeneous and fairylike phosphorescence. It is said that the
object was 4 to 5 meters wide and was itself showing a very strong
phosphorescence but its color, an azure white ('blanc azure': a very light
bluish white - JLR), contrasted strongly with the Nile green color, which is
light green, of the sea.
According to "La Voz del Interior", this
phosphorescent object was on the starboard side 9 meters ahead of the
forecastle and, first, sailed parallel to the "Naviero" at a depth
of 15 to 20 meters - which is corresponding quite well, it seems, with the
distance given by Mr Galindez in his article. According to Captain Ardanza, the
object didn't follow a natural course but "sailed", in the
voluntary meaning of the word (<< para mi navegaba no se desplazaba
>>). After a while, the object speeded [sped, Ed.] up and, starting a
turn toward the port side, went under the hull of the ship, to reappear on
the starboard side at the level of the No. 2 hold and disappeared going
approximately to 145° ( S 35 E?).
It will be noted that it [was? was
not? Ed.] detected by the radar and never came to the surface
during the sighting. Even it is not clearly said, it seems the strong
light emitted by this singular "submarine" was not produced by one
or several discreet and more or less localized sources, by lights or
searchlights located on some points of its hull but by the entire surface of
the hull. Furthermore the relation of the incident as written on the logbook
of the "Naviero" specifies that << the body showed a quite
clear outline ("silueta”) >> (our emphasis) and, upon his arrival
in Buenos Aires, Captain Ardanza declared that in his telegram sent from the
high sea to the Argentinian (sic) National Sea Prefecture, he should not have
mentioned an << illuminated >> ( << iluminado >> )
object but a << luminous >> ( << luminoso >> )
object. We must add that, the << submarine >> sailing at 15 or 20
meters depth, if it had not been entirely luminous, it would have been
difficult to see its outline, [e] specially through this kind of
phosphorescent sea found off the Cape Santa Marta Grande, and which is
familiar to us. Usually very weak, the phosphorescence of the sea becomes
intense only with a superficial movement exciting the innumerable animalcules
responsible for it and one knows that at 15 or 20 meters deep there is
practically nothing left of the surface movement. It is thus mainly the
surface which is lighted and, in our case, the veil of light created could
only hamper the sighting of a dark object below. If our interpretation is
correct and if the light - which must have been diffused [diffuse? Ed.] as seems to be indicated by the term <<
phosphorescence >> - was coming from the entire surface of the object,
one cannot see how a << submarine >> surrounded by this strange
light could have come from any terrestrial shipyard. Furthermore it had no
upper works, no helms [rudders? Ed.]
and even nowhere it is said that a propeller was observed !
Mr. Raymond Lucas, one of our
vice-presidents (of the GEPA - JLR), told us that a sperm whale might have
the same approximate dimensions than this object, but how can we imagine a
sperm whale doing [these] kind of moves around a ship at night? Furthermore
will remain the problem of the light, light which cannot even be attributed
to animalcules being in the depths and whose luminescence, excited by the
movement of the object, would have created around its hull a sheath of light
as the color, azure white, of the light emitted by the object contrasted with
the light, greenish, produced by these animalcules.
Still according to "La Voz del
Interior", Captain Ardanza affirmed again that the object didn't leave a
wake (<< reiterando que estela non dejaba >>), which confirms the
indication already given in Mr. Galindez's
article. But how to understand exactly this indication? According to Mr. Lucas,
it is not sure that an object with this volume, sailing at that speed (25
knots or approximately 46 km/h) and that depth would leave a wake at the
surface. However it should have left one at its own level - and which could
have been visible either because caught in the rays of light coming from the
object or even because of the luminescence created in the depth by its eddy
(or wash ? - JLR). In any case, as long as Captain Ardanza said again and
again that the object didn't leave any wake, we can assume that with his
experience as a sailor he was expecting one and was surprised, even struck,
not to find one. It is not forbidden to assume too that, in his mind, this
absence of wake could also mean an absence of propeller as a propeller always
creates whirls. We must emphasize that the seriousness and objectivity of the
sighting is comforted [supported? Ed.]
by the unchallengeable fact the captain of the "Naviero" was enough
worried by this unforeseeable escort under water to not hesitate to send
immediately a radio telegram to the Argentinian National
His [worry] was even more understandable as his ship, traveling at a cruise
speed of 17 knots, transported military explosives.
Second case and comment removed>
Phenomenes Spatiaux no. 23
(March 1970) p. 18
the "Naviero ", our investigation [continues]. We mentioned
the" Naviero" incident in our issue no. 15 p. 30. We spoke about it
again in our last issue p. 13 and noticed that the stories reported by the
different sources of information presented some significant and quite
embarrassing differences. Willing to know more, we kept our investigation
running by writing to our Argentinian collaborators who answered us with a
kindness we cannot thank enough. Mr. Gainza Paz has given us all
the necessary informations to write directly to Captain
Ardanza himself. But if Captain Ardanza answers us, it will not be soon as he was near the
coast when Mr. Gainza Paz gave us the exact
address of the shipping company employing him.
Galindez took the time to answer
very promptly and in detail to the questions we asked him. Thus we can give
to our readers, thanks to him, the following indications of which they will
appreciate the importance:
1/ The object was detected on the
2/ When it was seen the first
time, it was resting on the sea: captain Ardanza mentioned an object
The object was on the starboard side, 15 meters ahead of the forecastle and
sailed parallel to the "Naviero" for 15 minutes.
It was without portholes, propellers, fins or any protruding part.
It didn't leave any visible wake on the surface.
It was luminous and the intensity of the light it emitted was the same
It was shaped like a "Havana" cigar and a length of approximately
It submerged and went under the "Naviero" but didn't emerge on the
other side of the ship. Captain Ardanza and first
Montoya were both witnesses of
the phenomenon. They didn't call the other sailors - who were having supper -
because they thought the sailors could panic, the "Naviero"
The sea was phosphorescent and the phenomenon was completely noiseless. Mr. Galindez added he
thought he could get from Mr.
the radio [officer] of the "Naviero", a drawing of the object,
drawing he has not received yet. While waiting, he tried to do for us,
according to all the informations he received, an approximate drawing of the
observed object. We reproduce this drawing.
Commentaries removed >
The following from Jean-Luc Rivera
who kindly provided all of the Phenomena Spatieux articles above...
hope my translation is not too bad; I didn't have time to smooth it and I am
not familiar with sailing and nautical terms. I have found in an article
entitled "Le mystere marin des UFOs" (“The
marine mystery of UFOs”) by Oscar A. Galindez, a passage devoted to the
"Naviero" incident with some very important new details.
Phenomenes Spatiaux no. 23
(March 1970) p. 18
.... In December 1969, the C.A.D.I.U. (Centro Argentino de Investigaciones Ufologicas)
was granted a meeting with the officer Jorge Montoya who, amongst the crew
members of the Argentinian cargo ship "Naviero", was the first to
see the tubular phenomenon of the Gulf of Santa Catarina, incident which
happened on 30 July 1967 [Note
conflict with date from Sanderson, above, Ed.], in front of the
Brazilian coast, at nightfall. The present magazine has dealt several times
with this incident so it doesn't seem useful to report the main story. But
faced [with] the declarations of Officer Montoya, it is necessary to bring a few
complementary details. The witness told us that, while he was going to the
stem of the ship being on the starboard side, he noticed, not deeply, some
kind luminous projection of a great length. [At] first it didn't seem
important as he assumed it was the reflection in the water from the lights
going through the row of portholes of the "Naviero". But
immediately he changed his opinion because this luminosity was near the stern
where there were no portholes. Observing closely he noticed it was some kind
of << tube >>, 30 meters long and 1 meter to 1m 50 in diameter,
moving at the same speed [as] the "Naviero" (approximately 17 knots)
and at about 3 to 5 meters deep (this detail is important because it corrects
the version given by the newspapers speaking of a << half submerged
>> object with part of the hull at water level). In spite of it, the
outline of the phenomenon was sharp and uniform. It didn't look like any
whale or any animal. On all its length it was the same diameter, it was of
the same size. Its brightness of light was a yellowish white (and not bluish
as said in the papers) and didn't seem to come from a precise spot as the
entire surface of the object was fluorescent. The officer didn't hear any
engine noise and didn't notice any whirl created by the object moving. For 15
minutes the object went along with the "Naviero" being only 15
meters away from the ship. This is why Captain Julian Lucas
Ardanza - thinking about the
chances of running into it - gave orders to the helmsman to change course
very gradually if he was given such order. But it was not necessary. The
<< object >> turned 90° went under the ship and gained quickly
some depth at a speed of 25 knots. When it turned there was no deformation of
its linear structure which ruled out even more the possibility of some kind
of unknown animal. First Officer Montoya promised us to give us a copy of the
logbook on which were noted the other significant details of the phenomenon...>>
I searched Phenomenes Spatiaux until
the end of 1972 without finding any more news about the “Naviero”. (JLR)
14 No 2 March/April 1968p 22
OF ARGENTINE SHIP SEE SUBMARINE UFO by Oscar A. Galindez
Galindez has been correspondent of Flying Saucer Review in Argentina since
A TOPIC which seems to be connected
with the UFO problem is that of the mysterious submarine bodies which have
been observed in the seas of our world. Many of these cases appear in fact to
be part of the astonishing enigma of the Unidentified Flying Objects.
Not long ago consideration was being
given by FLYING SAUCER REVIEW to these marine aspects of the phenomenon,* and
some authors have suggested the possibility of underwater UFO bases in areas
where these strange happenings have been recorded.
I would like to relate a recent
occurrence which is quite sensational in comparison with most of those
reported so far. My sources are press reports which appeared in the Argentine
newspapers La Razon Cordoba and Los Principios.
On July 30, 1967, the Argentine steamer Naviero,
belonging to the Argentine Shipping Lines Company, was some 120 miles off the
coast of Brazil, opposite Cape Santa Marta Grande (Lat. 28 48 S., Long. 46 43
W.) in the State of Santa Catarina, when an elongated submarine craft was
sighted. The time was about 6.15 p.m. Argentine time (10.15 p.m. G.M.T.), and
the Naviero was running at 17 knots.
The officers and crew were at their
evening meal at the time. The Master, Captain Julian Lucas Ardanza, received
a call on the intercom system from one of his officers, Jorge Montoya, to the
effect that there was something strange near the ship.
Arriving at once on deck, Captain Ardanza beheld
a shining object in the sea no more than about 50ft. away on the starboard
side. It was cigar-shaped and he estimated its length at about 105 to 110ft.
It had a powerful blue and white glow, made no noise whatsoever and left no
wake in the water. There was no sign of any periscope or railing or tower or
superstructure, in other words no external control surfaces or protruding
The mystery craft paced the Naviero
for 15 minutes. Captain Ardanza estimated its speed at 25 knots, as against
the 17 of his own vessel (an old Liberty-type ship built in the U.S.A.).
The next development however was
disconcerting to say the least. The mystery craft suddenly dived and passed
right under the Naviero and vanished rapidly in the depths at great speed. As
it went it glowed brightly beneath the water.
The Naviero was carrying explosives and
gunpowder, and in order to stave off any panic among the crew should they get
the idea into their heads that they were being "pursued" because of
this type of cargo, Captain Ardanza and his officers judged it prudent to
assemble the crew and tell them what had been seen.
In the subsequent interviews with
reporters from the Argentine press, the Captain said that during his twenty
years at sea he had never seen anything like that before. Chief Officer
Carlos Lasca described the object as "a submergible UFO with its own
The possibility that the object seen
was a whale or a conventional type of submarine is ruled out. The witnesses
were firm in their insistence that the "luminous cigar" looked
totally different from a submarine or a whale and could not possibly have
been either of these things.
The case has been classified by the
Argentine maritime authorities as an "unidentified submarine
Gordon Creighton, Argentina
Atilli's experience) and item
about Soviet submarines, FSR, July/August 1964, pp. I I and 13.
Antonio Ribera, UFOs and the Sea, FSR, November/December 1964,
W. S. Robertson, UFOs and the Scottish Seas, FSR,
May/June 1965, p 36
Antonio Ribera, More About UFOs and the Sea, FSR,
November/December 1965. p. 17.
H. J. Hinfelaar,
Submarine Craft in Australasian Waters, FSR, July/August 1966, p. 28.
Vallee Classification ?
Vallee Classification ?
Distance 50 feet
Object Luminous blue / white cigar (though one witness
Object Behavior Followed
ship, dove underneath ship, disappeared. No
of object in turn.
Physical Effect None -
not even a wake! However, was detected on
Medical Effect None
/ Conclusion Within speed and size range for blue whale,
lack of wake, lack of streamlining, and lack
deformation in mm weigh against this possibility.
Invisible Residents, Ivan
With My Thanks to Mark Cashman for allowing me to
post his accumulated texts on this case to my web site. Copyright © 1999 by Mark Cashman
(unless otherwise indicated), All Rights Reserved –CF-
Original references: Argentine newspaper articles in
“La Razón Córdoba” and “Los Principios”.
UFOCAT PRN 88295 [DOS: 07-20-1967]
URN – 125528 GEPA – Phenomenes Spatiaux no. 16 (June 1968) p. 13-14
URN – 073272 Invisible Residents, Ivan T.
Sanderson, pp. 23-24, 1970
UFOCAT PRN 88295 [DOS: 07-30-1967]
URN – 093321 APRO Bulletin July 1967, p. 1
UFOCAT URN – NONE Buenos Aires newspaper "La Voz del
Interior" dated 3 August 1967
(Used in P.S. #16)
URN – NONE "La Vanguardia", from Barcelona, dated 1st Oct. 1967 as
and published in Phenomenes
Spatiaux no. 15 (March 1968) p. 30
UFOCAT URN – NONE
Spatiaux no. 15 (March 1968) p.
UFOCAT URN – 088295 FSR Vol.
14 No 2 March/April 1968p 22
URN – NONE GEPA – Phenomenes Spatiaux no. 23
(March 1970) p. 18
URN – 045638 Computerized Catalog (N=3173), #2023 by L Schoenherr. No © date.
America – Brazil and Argentina
Santa Marta Grande, Brazil Latitude
28-38 S, Longitude 48-45 W (D-M)
Buenos Aires, Argentina Latitude 34-36 S, Longitude 58-27 W
of Santa Catarina Latitude 27-37 S, Longitude 48-34 W
Gazetteer, published January 1963 and Argentina Gazetteer, published February
1968. Both gazetteers prepared in the Office of Geography, Department of the
Interior, Washington, D.C.
Location (UFOCAT) Latitude 28.80 S, Longitude 46.72 W (D.%)
Text Latitude 28-48 S, Longitude
46-44 W (D-M)