Go Back Report # 3

02-07-1580

Note: This case has been classified as non water related due to the methodical research of Chris Aubeck. The explanation follows so that we might have it as a source in the event that the case is offered again in the future as a water related event. –CF-         

There is a small problem with the 1580 case I reported a short while ago.

       I don't like using modern compilations as sources, so a couple of years ago I checked the case in an edited non-UFO reprint of Pedro Sarmiento de Gamboa's book "Relación de los viajes por el Estrecho de Todos los Santos" in Spanish. There I found:

"vimos salir de la mar una cosa redonda  bermeja como fuego, como una (a)darga, que iba subiendo por cielo o viento. Sobre un monte alto se prolongó y estando como una lanza alta sobre el monte, se hizo como media luna entre bermeja y blanca. Las figuras eran de esta manera:"

which in English would read:

"we saw emerge from the sea a round thing, red like fire, like a shield, that rose up on the air or on the wind. It became longer as it went over a mountain and, in the form of a lance high above the mount, its shape became like a half-moon between red and white in colour. The shapes were like this:"

       Now, somewhere along the line I misplaced my photocopy of the pages I used. This has meant that I've had to rely on my unsourced copy (when I jotted it down I didn't think I'd need to add the reference at that moment - now I've learnt my lesson!).

       I trusted my copy, so I thought nothing else of it. In fact I later found the same paragraph quoted at:

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:Cc5b8rm7xB0:para.villanos.net/lista/afr/archivo/indi

ce/61/msg/66/+ovni+%22pedro+sarmiento%22&hl=es

and also in a book by Antonio Ribera, so I had no worries there. But as I wasn't satisfied with my own unsourced reference, the other day I asked a pupil of mine to search for the earliest edition he could find in the "Ateneo," one of the best libraries in Spain. He discovered that the library had it, in a safe (!), and got permission to see and photocopy it. But when he gave the copy to me I was surprised to read "vimos salir una cosa" rather than "vimos salir de la mar." That is, rather than "we saw a thing rise out of the sea" it would mean "we saw a thing come out" or "arise" or "appear [from somewhere]."

       This old edition, "Viaje al estrecho de Magallanes por el Capitán Pedro Sarmiento..." is dated 1768 and was printed in Madrid.

       I next asked another friend of mine to check a few different versions of the book. I'm glad I did, as now I can say without a doubt that the object in question "appeared" rather than "arose from the sea." This is a significant difference.

The report is still interesting, of course.

"we saw a round [ round and flat ] thing appear, red like fire, like a shield, that rose up on the air or on the wind. It became longer as it went over a mountain and, in the form of a lance high above the mount, its shape became like a half-moon between red and white in colour."

       I don't know where the "from the sea" bit sneaked in to some editions but it was not in the original.

Chris Aubeck

 

Reference for the above text is: E-mail to me (CF) from Chris Aubeck dated May 26, 2001

 

With thanks to Chris Aubeck for bringing it to my attention and for permission to use his translation (Translation © C. Aubeck 2001) and knowledgeable insights into this case.

 

UFOCAT PRN – 193132

UFOCAT URN – 193132 Waterufo.net by Carl Feindt  

South America – Chile

Strait of Magellan         Latitude 54-00-00 S, Longitude 71-00-00W (D-M)

Reference: http://gnswww.nga.mil/geonames/GNS/index.jsp




 



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